More thoughts

Interesting points raised in the comments of my previous post. Feel free to take a look.

I guess there has to be a starting point when thinking about such things. I would suggest that a good place to start would be with a general law of logic, the Law of Non-contradiction.

"It is not possible that something be both true and not true at the same time and in the same context."

Accordingly, I cannot say that I own a Rivendell bicycle in one statement and in the very next statement say that I do not own a Rivendell bicycle. Both statements cannot be true if I am speaking about 'a Rivendell bicycle' in the same context each time.

Also, the Law of the Excluded Middle says that if you have two contradictory statements, one of them must be true. Either I have a Rivendell bicycle or I do not, there is no middle option.

There are other things that are true about truth.

Making a true statement is not necesarily arrogant or intolerant. A person's attitude may be when he is speaking the truth (or speaking non-truth), but speaking the truth is not in itself arrogant or intolerant.

We can know the truth. We all believe this because we all think that we are right about what we believe. If we didn't think we were right we wouldn't believe it, nor would we defend it.


sans auto said...

That is what i hate about political correctness and relativism, you can't take a stand on anything. If you believe something, say it and stand behind it. Don't get all wishywashy when you talk to someone with different beliefs, if you believe it, stand for it.
On the other hand you have respect. Whether or not you agree with someone you need to respect them and their views, but that doesn't mean compromising your beliefs to accomidate their's.

paul said...

knowing and knowing fully are two very different things. To know God is one thing, to know God fully is quite another!
Christians do not claim to know everything about God...although some may think they do. However, what Christians, or Jesus followers, or whatever you want to call people who have acknowledged and accepted the work of Jesus Christ in their lives beyond mental assent...these people know God through a relationship, not because they know all the answers about God.
Only God can know God fully, and anyone who claims to know everything about God is essentially claiming to be God (hmmmm...Jesus?).
This is where Christianity sets itself apart from many other religions; that Christians do not claim understanding, but rather embrace the mysterious and wonderful grace which God has extended to us beyond our abilities to ever earn or deserve; in essence, a relationship, not a religion.
Even when Christians experience a face-to-face encounter with God, they will not know God fully. Perhaps more fully, but not completely, entirely...and this is why God will always be the focus of our worship and awe...because he is the Wholly Other who has chosen to dwell among us incarnate. For John to say the words, "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us" was taboo in his time; gods were distant and would never stoop down to the level of their worshippers (Philipians 2). That God dwelt among us is a reality in which no other religion can testify to.
So, what's my point? People can know God and experience personally his presence in their lives, as mysterious, incomprehendable and amazing as this is; but to suggest that we know everything about God is simply absurd...why the need for faith then?
ok, that wasn't very well thought through but i'll post it anyways...

Kelly said...

Some "Devil's Advocate" comments:

-You could argue, that though the Father and the Son are one (John 14,15), not even Jesus knew (knows?) God fully:
* Matt 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (NIV)
*on the cross, Jesus asks God "why" He has forsaken him. (Mark 15:34)
...implying he didn't fully understand?

EVEN Jesus had to have faith, and understands our doubt and frustration that comes with being on this planet, seperated from God

And yet there is hope...
What about Paul's (the apostle...not the bro-in-law ;-) words in 1Cor 13:12...
"Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."

Is he not talking about when we meet God?


(Sorry, sometimes the preacher buried within just has to get out...;-)